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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 29, 2013 20:06:35 GMT -5
Initially I just forgot about adding SLG % since it got a mixed vibe, but it's kind of gotten annoying to see that whenever one of your players hits an XHB, you have to remind yourself that it doesn't count for shit.
Royals said that he was open to a poll being created so here it is. Not sure what % of the votes need to be 'yes' to implement this rule next year in 2014. I'm sure Royals or one of the admins could come up with a number.
And as y'all can probably tell I am for this rule being implemented.
Just post a 'yes' or a 'no' in this thread. Would be nice if those who are against it would explain why they are, but I guess it's optional. The vote is what counts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 20:14:45 GMT -5
i would hold this post until the offseason considering that we might have new owners coming in
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 29, 2013 20:34:39 GMT -5
i would hold this post until the offseason considering that we might have new owners coming in If that's the case and trades are occurring all season, then it would be more likely to be a 2015 rule implementation, would it not? Trust me, I'd love to see SLG added. As well discussion would have to occur on whether to drop a stat or add another pitching cat as well. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 29, 2013 20:38:57 GMT -5
i would hold this post until the offseason considering that we might have new owners coming in If that's the case and trades are occurring all season, then it would be more likely to be a 2015 rule implementation, would it not? Trust me, I'd love to see SLG added. As well discussion would have to occur on whether to drop a stat or add another pitching cat as well. Exactly why I'd like to have a vote now. Don't want to wait two years to get this thing added. |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Apr 30, 2013 8:02:16 GMT -5
Who has 12 starters? You throw that number out all the time, but the most I see on any roster is 9. And I'd argue that 6 or 7 quality starters beat 9 mediocre to bad starters any day. Like you mention, they're probably going to lose ERA and WHIP, but losses is also a stat in this league, so they're more likely to lose Losses as well. I also propose that you're more likely to win Wins with 6 quality guys than you are with 9 mediocre guys. Honestly, the only advantage I see is in K's, but you're shooting yourself in the foot in 3 other categories. Even if you still view the upper hand to the 9 guys in Wins, it's still only a 2-3 advantage. I'd take the 6 guys any day, hands down, no second thoughts. It's all about strategy, and if someone wants to accrue 9 (or 12) middle tier starters, let them. I'll take those bench spots for position guys to get a couple extra starts in or to account for streaky play/platoons.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Apr 30, 2013 9:37:18 GMT -5
I just think someone would have to give up a lot to get 12 quality starters and would probably deplete both their minors and their hitting
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 9:44:59 GMT -5
Right, but playing an optimal strategy shouldn't be punished.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 30, 2013 10:19:42 GMT -5
We vote No to changing stats categories. These sorts of ideas are best discussed over the winter. Here's another rules change idea for winter discussion: reduce the size of our MLB rosters. Right now they are at 31, plus 3 DL slots, meaning owners can carry 34 players. Some teams carry as many as 12 SP and rotate them in, allowing even bad pitching to be effective. They lose ERA and WHIP categories but score big in Ws and Ks. That's a break even for a club with awful pitching, whereas if he had a more normal rotation, the owner would take his lumps with a bad staff. Bad pitching should not be rewarded. We should consider reducing MLB roster sizes way before we start adding or changing stats categories. Reduce roster sizes and teams would not be so able to load up on SP (or on any other position). We say cut it back to 27 (which comes out to 30 players if you count DL slots). Even limiting active rosters to 29 players would be a vast improvement. A side benefit to reduce rosters would be the availability of released players to the FA poll, benefitting bottom clubs. I'd also like to see roster size reduced. My suggestion would be for TPB to take it slow in reducing the rosters though. Lower it one player per year. So prior to the 2014 season commencing roster size would be reduced down to 30. An interesting and fair idea for the league would be for every team to release two players bringing them down to 29 players. Then conduct a 1 round waiver type draft bringing the roster up to 30. Follow this method until the league gets down to the desired roster number. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 30, 2013 10:23:03 GMT -5
We haven't checked all the rosters, but Royals has 12 SP (3 on the DL) and Mariners also has 12 SP (3 on the DL). On the Yankees roster we have 8 SP (plus 1 starter on the DL and one minor leaguer that we carry on our MLB bench). Not all of these guys are bums; some are very good. What happens when teams have all quality starters? Would you agree that 12 quality starters on a roster is way too many and tilts the categories way too far in favor of the "big" clubs? We think this is something we should discuss over the winter, is all... I'm sick and tired about hearing about the Royals. Yes they're a phenomenal team. I get that, you get that....anyone with a brain should get that. My team is far inferior to the Yankees and pretty much every other team in the league. But do you hear me whine about it, nope. Never will. I'll just continue building my team the way I like and within 2 years should have a pretty decent team. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 11:39:43 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read through all this because I have no time... But I'd like to add a cat like this mostly because I have Kyle Seager who is leasing the league in doubles and he barely has any value in this league
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 30, 2013 12:38:14 GMT -5
By the way, we have a fairly good club. Doesn't deter us from proposing ideas we think would make the entire league better. I'm very aware you have a good club. I just don't understand why Royals always gets brought into the discussion every time a suggestion is made. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 30, 2013 16:06:26 GMT -5
This seems to go back and forth all the time, I propose a poll with three options and the one with most votes wins. Option 1, keep it at OBP. Option 2, change to slugging. Option 3, change to OPS. That covers all three alternatives and would settle the argument once and for all.
The argument about 12 SPs has no place in this thread.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 30, 2013 16:22:41 GMT -5
I didn't create this thread just because I have a lot of doubles guys. I just don't want XBHs to count for shit.
And if the majority is against adding on a new category, it's best that we stick with OBP. Would like to have both OBP and SLG (but not OPS), but if it's just one, it's gotta be OBP.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 16:23:41 GMT -5
Well honestly I don't get the speech about the good of the league when it comes to shrinking roster sizes on one hand but then saying we should not ever change categories like adding slugging. I have stockpiled a lot of SP that's true and shrinking roster sizes would probably negatively effect me a bit but also it would just mean I would keep better pitchers as Dbacks points out. Counting guys like Felipe Paulino and Danny Duffy in the 12 is also stretching it a bit. They might not get jobs back (or maybe they will if Wade Davis keeps pitching like he did yesterday).
I mean changing the roster sizes changes the strategy implemented by owners as much as adding slugging %. Also maybe the category added to pitching (if we add a cat to hitting this would be necessary) could help somehow with the perception of having a lot of SP on your bench is a problem. For the record I am fine with the shrinking of rosters and like the slow but steady approach suggested by Reds.
Whatever we do it will be done slowly, we aren't going to add slugging tomorrow so all owners will have an adequate amount of time to rethink their approach to their rosters. Cards why don't you go ahead and post that poll you were discussing and we can say after x amounts of votes the winner will be the one with the most votes. Say at least 20 votes so we get the bulk of the league's opinion?
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 30, 2013 16:27:43 GMT -5
Well honestly I don't get the speech about the good of the league when it comes to shrinking roster sizes on one hand but then saying we should not ever change categories like adding slugging. I have stockpiled a lot of SP that's true and shrinking roster sizes would probably negatively effect me a bit but also it would just mean I would keep better pitchers as Dbacks points out. Counting guys like Felipe Paulino and Danny Duffy in the 12 is also stretching it a bit. They might not get jobs back (or maybe they will if Wade Davis keeps pitching like he did yesterday). I mean changing the roster sizes changes the strategy implemented by owners as much as adding slugging %. Also maybe the category added to pitching (if we add a cat to hitting this would be necessary) could help somehow with the perception of having a lot of SP on your bench is a problem. For the record I am fine with the shrinking of rosters and like the slow but steady approach suggested by Reds. Whatever we do it will be done slowly, we aren't going to add slugging tomorrow so all owners will have an adequate amount of time to rethink their approach to their rosters. Cards why don't you go ahead and post that poll you were discussing and we can say after x amounts of votes the winner will be the one with the most votes. Say at least 20 votes so we get the bulk of the league's opinion? I think it'd make more sense to do a poll on adding SLG % and then another pitching category. Replacing OBP with anything, whether it be OPS or SLG %, would be a very poor decision. OBP is one of the more important hitting categories IMO. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 30, 2013 17:29:24 GMT -5
I'll create a poll with those three options, minimum 20 votes to decide, if there is a tie we remove the option that lost and do it again with two options that tied.
I haven't done a poll before so it could be interesting.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 30, 2013 17:31:07 GMT -5
I didn't create this thread just because I have a lot of doubles guys. I just don't want XBHs to count for shit. And if the majority is against adding on a new category, it's best that we stick with OBP. Would like to have both OBP and SLG (but not OPS), but if it's just one, it's gotta be OBP. Agreed. For 2014 or 2015 I'd like to see this happen. The number of categories remain the same as well as counting and rate stats to remain consistent. Batters: (H, R, HR, RBI, SB, K, OBP, SLG) SLG in, AVG out Pitchers: (W, QS, SV, K, HLD, HRA, ERA, OBA) Homeruns allowed in, Losses out. And change WHIP to OBA. OBA actually is a truer measure of how many base runners get on base. Just suggestions, but I'll be content with a league vote. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 30, 2013 17:32:14 GMT -5
I'll create a poll with those three options, minimum 20 votes to decide, if there is a tie we remove the option that lost and do it again with two options that tied. I haven't done a poll before so it could be interesting. Its easy. If you mess up, just delete it and try again. Check out my post following yours on changes. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 30, 2013 18:25:22 GMT -5
without meaning to sound like an old man who just discovered viagra ... I think I got it up.
go forth and vote ... enjoy.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 30, 2013 18:26:42 GMT -5
Oh, and Reds or Royals, seeing you seem to have set up league wide PM, can one of you please PM the league and ask everyone to vote.
Ta.
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