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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 7:36:57 GMT -5
I have two ideas earlier in the thread to discourage tanking as I agree that giving the #1 pick AND the best IFA player to the worst team is too big of an incentive to tank.
Also I'm very opposed to guys like Darvish, Tanaka, etc being included in this system. I think they should be exceptions that are bid upon. We know who those guys are, the huge hype players from Japan and Cuba should not be included in the IFA money system. If there is a Bryce Harper in the draft and a Yu Darvish on the IFA market they you are giving Darvish and Harper to a team on a silver platter. That is pretty shitty for the 2nd worst team in the league especially if they got that record because they actually tried to compete harder than the team with the worst record.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 8:08:47 GMT -5
Yeahthose elite guys shouldn't be counted as IFAs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 11:55:27 GMT -5
I think the Mariners' idea is not a great one, because I don't see the point in having a rotating number or whatever he wanted to do exactly. A simple solution is to set a floor of IP's and AB's one has to have in order to get their full amount, and if they reach that, they get that, if not we divide it by half or something like that. Would discourage tanking but wouldn't screw them completely if they didn't have a team to field. I think we are way too worried about another Marlins not fielding a team, but that was a very extreme case and I don't think anyone is headed that way in this league as of this moment.
Anyway, my proposal is to do the Rays idea and set a IP/AB floor and that must be reached to get your full IFA cap allocation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 13:19:17 GMT -5
The point is it allows everyone to have the same monetary amount.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Mar 12, 2014 16:47:56 GMT -5
I like the AB/IP floor rule
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:14:39 GMT -5
Yeah floor is a good idea. I'd say make it like 70% of what the average amount of IP/ABs were last year?
If the team doesn't reach it how much would they be penalized?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:25:54 GMT -5
Just an FYI i'm starting an audit of the NL Central right now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:34:18 GMT -5
25% or 50% would seem like a good number.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:55:25 GMT -5
I would consider 25% definitely not fielding a competitive team. Maybe 50% but I think that is a bit low myself.
I was talking 70% from an average team, not from a top team. Without looking I'm guessing an average amount of ABs for a week would be somewhere around 210? about 30 ABs per game for 9 hitters. And probably around 50-60 IP per week? That's a tougher one 6 RP and most teams should have 5 SP. Would need to look at numbers from last year I guess on ESPN.
So maybe a possible floor would be 140 ABs and 40 IP per week times however many weeks the season is? I dunno, just throwing out numbers without looking really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 11:38:16 GMT -5
What about a lottery for the bottom 10 teams for first pick/IFA? Like the NBA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 13:00:23 GMT -5
40 IP in a 30 team league is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 16:19:27 GMT -5
So, let's say we take over the Indians club. He has only three SP on his roster, and that includes Matt Harvey, who will not be pitching and Cumpton, who pitched something like 30 innings total last year. And we don't have enough position players to field a club.
Are you saying we have to use our limited resources ($100M in total cap) to acquire SP and bats, no matter how bad they are, so we will end up with enough innings pitched or ABs to qualify for some new system you guys are proposing, or run the risk of not getting the first pick in the draft (or the first whatever)?
The Indians roster has more holes than a spaghetti strainer and some very expensive players (aka Chase Utley) we would like to clean out -- CHase Utley and Brian Wilson, to name just a couple. Are we supposed to keep Utley, so we get at bats? Or do we trade him, but deal him for really crappy MLB players instead of quality prospects because we have to reach some sort of quota of ABs or risk losing out of early picks or IFA funding (or whatever other crazy ideas are being thrown out there)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 16:38:46 GMT -5
Just trying to circumvent a complete and obvious tank job like the Marlins did. Correct me if I am wrong but everyone in the league was screaming for his head a few months ago and now trying to find a system to discourage tanking is a bad thing?
Those numbers I completely threw out off the top of my head. I know for a fact you will not intentionally tank and I don't really think anyone will so maybe we can just forget this idea. I dunno, whatever the league thinks is best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 17:13:58 GMT -5
I agree with Cigar. How about we just kick owners out if they are intentionally sitting people.
I never understood the Marlins hate.
"Hey guys can i do x?"
Sure
*Does x*
OMG YOU'RE DOING X!!!!!!
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 13, 2014 17:16:42 GMT -5
I must admit I am also a little frustrated about how much we worry about tanking. Simple, from now on, if anyone sees any team tanking they report them to Steve, Tim or I and we will take it from there. If we find a team tanking they simply either get removed from the draft completely or get dropped to no.30 pick.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 13, 2014 17:17:30 GMT -5
I agree with Cigar. How about we just kick owners out if they are intentionally sitting people. I never understood the Marlins hate. "Hey guys can i do x?" Sure *Does x* OMG YOU'RE DOING X!!!!!! I think you'll find that those of us that approved Marlins rebuild have not kicked up a fuss, just the owners new to the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 17:31:16 GMT -5
I must admit I am also a little frustrated about how much we worry about tanking. Simple, from now on, if anyone sees any team tanking they report them to Steve, Tim or I and we will take it from there. If we find a team tanking they simply either get removed from the draft completely or get dropped to no.30 pick. Boom! Consensus tanking, drop to 30th the first year or get removed |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 13, 2014 17:37:08 GMT -5
I must admit I am also a little frustrated about how much we worry about tanking. Simple, from now on, if anyone sees any team tanking they report them to Steve, Tim or I and we will take it from there. If we find a team tanking they simply either get removed from the draft completely or get dropped to no.30 pick. Boom! Consensus tanking, drop to 30th the first year or get removed Approve. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 17:39:17 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. But if someone did exactly what Marlins did before it wouldn't really be tanking would it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 17:43:09 GMT -5
The ONLY issue i had with Marlins was he had guys who were getting MLB stats sitting in his minors while not having a complete roster.
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