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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 10:58:01 GMT -5
The rules committee has submitted the following change for approval to the league admins.
For the 2015 season:
Remove Hits and add SLG%
Remove W's and add K/BB
The rules committee feels this adds a better evaluation of team talent to both the hitting and pitching categories while eliminating two redundant stats.
It also adds a nice mixture of counting stats to ratio stats.
Hits are already accounted for in average and W's are already accounted for with QS's. Adding SLG% helps properly account for the value of extra base hits which is currenlty lacking in our scoring system.
Removing wins and adding a ratio stat focuses the pitching categories more on quality instead of streaming, which was previously heavily slanted towards streaming.
- The Rules Committee
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:00:20 GMT -5
So we'd have losses but not wins and K/BB instead? The first part isn't that bad, I just don't see how the second part is an improvement?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:02:27 GMT -5
Losses are a deterent to streaming SP'ers and Wins are already accounted for with QS. Having two categories that are essentially the same tips the scales to the benefit of streaming SP'ers.
In this case elminating Wins helps put the emphasis on player performance rather than team performance and balances ratio (quality) stats vs counting (quantity) stats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:12:19 GMT -5
I can see what you are saying about Ws, just not sure K/BB is the right cat to replace it with
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:15:38 GMT -5
I can see what you are saying about Ws, just not sure K/BB is the right cat to replace it with The appointed rules committee has spoken!!!! What did you have in mind? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:27:03 GMT -5
As the most notorious quantity SP hoarder I understand the switch although I admit it stings a bit. Obviously I've employed the quantity over quality strategy for some time but I have reversed course a bit and gone after some ace-type arms. Adding the K/BB also kind of rewards people with high K pitchers (especially since K's is already a cat) a bit doesn't it? I don't know what stat would be better, just throwing it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:31:36 GMT -5
As the most notorious quantity SP hoarder I understand the switch although I admit it stings a bit. Obviously I've employed the quantity over quality strategy for some time but I have reversed course a bit and gone after some ace-type arms. Adding the K/BB also kind of rewards people with high K pitchers (especially since K's is already a cat) a bit doesn't it? I don't know what stat would be better, just throwing it out there. I don't think it overly rewards K's. A lot of the high K pitchers have high BB rates. So Pitcher A throws 220 K's but also has 110 BB's then he could be hurting a team if their K/BB is a reasonable 2.5+ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:38:07 GMT -5
I think k/bb is just a dumb stat to add and instead of slugging why don't we just have total bases. I hate stats where you could just have one Player play and win that category
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 11:38:39 GMT -5
It's a 30 team league, if you have 8 quality starters who won't destroy your ratios, you shouldnt be punished for that. For the love of god take out L
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 12:38:21 GMT -5
Taking out L's and/or K's for hitting is a completely different issue.
Hating K/BB is baseless unless you can offer a better solution and justification. Be a part of the solution instead of pointing out the problems imo.
As far as hating on ratio stats, then why don't we just eliminate avg and obp too and keep hits and add total bases.
I have made my suggestion, every owner here has there 2 cents on what's perfect, but it is now up to the three commish party to decide what to do imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:31:03 GMT -5
I feel like we should focus one rule at a time and I think the biggest issue is IFA spending considering that would happen first and needs more fixing
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:40:32 GMT -5
I don't agree with changing wins to K/9. I could get on board with K/9 instead of K's though. I really don't understand why we need to change any of these stats. It seems like everyone just wants to change the stats to better fit their team. I have been building my team based in the stat categories that we have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:48:25 GMT -5
I feel like we should focus one rule at a time and I think the biggest issue is IFA spending considering that would happen first and needs more fixing No |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:48:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with changing wins to K/9. I could get on board with K/9 instead of K's though. I really don't understand why we need to change any of these stats. It seems like everyone just wants to change the stats to better fit their team. I have been building my team based in the stat categories that we have. This is a joke right? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:55:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with changing wins to K/9. I could get on board with K/9 instead of K's though. I really don't understand why we need to change any of these stats. It seems like everyone just wants to change the stats to better fit their team. I have been building my team based in the stat categories that we have. This is a joke right? No. It's not broke, so don't fix it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 13:57:36 GMT -5
No. It's not broke, so don't fix it. Not accouting for the value of hitting doubles and triples is very broke. And no i don't want to add another counting stat so we will not be adding XBH. This thread is a great example of why nothing gets fixed in this league and why the admins need to just make a 3-headed decision and tell the rest of us to deal with it. |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Apr 4, 2014 14:37:07 GMT -5
Adding the K/BB also kind of rewards people with high K pitchers (especially since K's is already a cat) a bit doesn't it? I don't know what stat would be better, just throwing it out there. Not as much it might seem -- K/BB is more like batting average against without the random factor of balls in play. Kyle Lohse has a higher K/BB than Yu Darvish, Doug Fister has a higher K/BB Jeff Samardzija, etc, etc. I mean, it rewards them in the sense that better pitchers tend to have more K's, but guys that effectively pitch to contact do just as well. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 4, 2014 14:49:33 GMT -5
No. It's not broke, so don't fix it. Triples & doubles counting the same as singles is very, very broke. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 14:54:13 GMT -5
I think it pretty much makes pitching go for anyone who gets K's. I really don't see the problem with their current categories so I'll just let you all hash out your proposal and then vote for the option to keep the categories the same whenever the poll is put up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 14:56:07 GMT -5
OK, well we are getting sidetracked I think. How about right now, in this thread we discuss only the proposal of changing the hitting stat. That seems to be the easiest for everyone to get behind anyway. Eventually we will add a poll with a few options. I think the simple solution is what former Ray Yank proposed, change hits to slug%. We could alternatively change hits to OPS or OBP to OPS but since we already have OBP changing hits makes sense.
Once we get that agreed upon and changed (change will not go into effect until 2015 of course) then we can start a thread on the pitching changes and have at that one.
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