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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:02:30 GMT -5
OK, well we are getting sidetracked I think. How about right now, in this thread we discuss only the proposal of changing the hitting stat. That seems to be the easiest for everyone to get behind anyway. Eventually we will add a poll with a few options. I think the simple solution is what former Ray Yank proposed, change hits to slug%. We could alternatively change hits to OPS or OBP to OPS but since we already have OBP changing hits makes sense. Once we get that agreed upon and changed (change will not go into effect until 2015 of course) then we can start a thread on the pitching changes and have at that one. Just make it happen captain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:05:57 GMT -5
I'm all for total bases instead of slugging
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:07:10 GMT -5
What are the specific advantages for Total Bases or SLG%, each, respectively?
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 4, 2014 15:08:41 GMT -5
I'm for adding SLG % and dropping hits or batting average, don't care which one.
Would also like to switch out wins & losses as well for two other categories, as the W-L stat for pitchers is probably the most useless & meaningless stat in the game, but that's a different story.
And as for OPS being an alternative option, it's a shit one. Imperative that SLG % and OBP be kept separate. Combining them into OPS kills their statistical value.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:27:49 GMT -5
Slugging you only need one player to play to win, while total bases you will need to have close to a team. It seems like the main problem is doubles and triples not counting that's what total bases does
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:36:51 GMT -5
Slugging you only need one player to play to win, while total bases you will need to have close to a team. It seems like the main problem is doubles and triples not counting that's what total bases does Half yes. Only needing 1 player to win is an oversimplification of the impact of slg%. Sure you could win if one player goes off....you could also lose if that one player sucks. So i don't really get the point of that. The reaosn I prefer slg% to total bases is we have enough counting stats and need some more performance stats to level it out imo |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:54:14 GMT -5
My whole thing is I feel like the transfer from hits to total bases would be easier then hits to slugging for research purposes/how teams are built
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 16:12:07 GMT -5
My whole thing is I feel like the transfer from hits to total bases would be easier then hits to slugging for research purposes/how teams are built Aside from slg% being part of the triple slash line which you look at right now for avg and obp, you might be right |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 16:36:47 GMT -5
I would be fine with changing hits to SLG% or to total bases. I was more speaking to the pitching stats not being broken.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 16:51:08 GMT -5
I would be fine with changing hits to SLG% or to total bases. I was more speaking to the pitching stats not being broken. Pitching is broken too. |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Apr 4, 2014 17:01:50 GMT -5
Slugging you only need one player to play to win, while total bases you will need to have close to a team. It seems like the main problem is doubles and triples not counting that's what total bases does Half yes. Only needing 1 player to win is an oversimplification of the impact of slg%. Sure you could win if one player goes off....you could also lose if that one player sucks. So i don't really get the point of that. The reaosn I prefer slg% to total bases is we have enough counting stats and need some more performance stats to level it out imo I think the worry is a situation like playing the Marlins. This week he would be winning AVG, OBP, and SLG, as well as K's. So a split of the offensive categories despite playing 4 hitters. Ugh. I far prefer rate stats but there are some really weird strategies that could come into play if they are 1/2 of them. E.g. you're up against a far better hitting club and your first player goes 1/2 with a single Monday afternoon so you bench the rest of your team for the week and take the guaranteed offensive draw. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 17:10:21 GMT -5
Tough to make a rule against that too
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Apr 4, 2014 17:39:12 GMT -5
But there's no real incentive to do it until winning all the rate stats (and the one negative counting) is a decent result. As it is right now, you want to take advantage of a sneaky move to salvage 3/8 of the offensive categories? Congrats. You're playing to lose. But once they're half, man...I would at least take a shot at that in a playoff series, despite hating myself if it decided a season.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Apr 4, 2014 17:53:15 GMT -5
I don't agree with changing wins to K/9. I could get on board with K/9 instead of K's though. I really don't understand why we need to change any of these stats. It seems like everyone just wants to change the stats to better fit their team. I have been building my team based in the stat categories that we have. Please don't include me in "everyone". I make trades to get the best players/prospects I can get. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 4, 2014 20:10:07 GMT -5
I don't agree with changing wins to K/9. I could get on board with K/9 instead of K's though. I really don't understand why we need to change any of these stats. It seems like everyone just wants to change the stats to better fit their team. I have been building my team based in the stat categories that we have. Please don't include me in "everyone". I make trades to get the best players/prospects I can get. "I make trades to get the best players/prospects I can get." Somehow this isn't everyone's goal, though it should be... |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 4, 2014 22:58:55 GMT -5
Ok, lets get back on track.
I am 100% in favour of changing hits to either SLG% or TB but I'd prefer Total Bases.
I'd be more in favour of eliminating the negative categories. I regularly see criticism of "streaming" but we all have 31 player MLB rosters. If I choose to have 31 starting pitchers then more fool on me. "Streaming' is relevant to leagues where there are strong free agent pools and you can continually drop players after they start to pick up another guy who is starting the next day. This league there is virtually no MLB Free Agent pool so I don't think "streaming" in the true sense is possible. It's simply allocation of resources / roster spots and I don't think anyone should be penalised for using their 31 spots how they see fit. If anything, Kudos for actually having 31 MLB players.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Apr 5, 2014 0:28:14 GMT -5
I would be fine with changing hits to SLG% or to total bases. I was more speaking to the pitching stats not being broken. When both wins & losses are each a category for pitching, it's very broke. A pitcher's win-loss record is the most ridiculous and meaningless stat in baseball as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 5, 2014 0:31:44 GMT -5
I would be fine with changing hits to SLG% or to total bases. I was more speaking to the pitching stats not being broken. When both wins & losses are each a category for pitching, it's very broke. A pitcher's win-loss record is the most ridiculous and meaningless stat in baseball as far as I'm concerned. Let's keep the discussion to hitting categories only for now. We will cross pitching categories once we have worked the hitting ones out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 0:47:17 GMT -5
I would vote approve for total bases, but I'm a veto on SLG% at this point. Would suggest we replace hits with TB.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Apr 5, 2014 1:40:03 GMT -5
I would vote approve for total bases, but I'm a veto on SLG% at this point. Would suggest we replace hits with TB. seems to be the general consensus. |
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