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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:19:09 GMT -5
So, all tie-breakers are based on the two tied teams being in the same league. That doesn't really work for the World Series since it's AL vs. NL.
What's the tie-breaker? Or is it a co-championship?
2016 WS just ended 8-8
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Oct 2, 2016 18:32:12 GMT -5
The tie breaker is the regular season win %.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:34:55 GMT -5
Normal tie breaker is, but usually that's because the teams have been playing in the same league. That isn't the case in the WS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:36:31 GMT -5
How do you tie-break two teams who's seasons had nothing in common (other than the tied game)
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Oct 2, 2016 19:00:50 GMT -5
The tie breaker is the regular season win %. That's complete bull shit if that's the case |
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Post by Dodgers GM on Oct 2, 2016 19:04:05 GMT -5
lol...anything for cards not to win eh dan? sour grapes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 19:23:16 GMT -5
Only legit tie-breaker I cam think of for the WS is comparing the two teams regular season stats. Basically a head to head for the year. (I haven't checked how that would play out yet)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 19:27:55 GMT -5
Quick check from pulling stats from AL and NL leagues would have me up 9-6-1.
TEAM BATTERS PITCHERS
R HR RBI K SB AVG OBP SLG K QS W L SV HD ERA WHIP
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KC Royals 691 204 651 1110 100 0.2654 0.3401 0.4559 1596 95 89 66 99 62 3.35 1.188
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St. Louis Cardinals 684 204 673 1033 138 0.2615 0.3204 0.4409 1330 97 102 79 48 111 3.792 1.262
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 19:29:35 GMT -5
Also bizarre that after a full season we'd still have a tied category.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Oct 2, 2016 19:36:25 GMT -5
Quick check from pulling stats from AL and NL leagues would have me up 9-6-1. TEAM BATTERS PITCHERS R HR RBI K SB AVG OBP SLG K QS W L SV HD ERA WHIP x x x x x x x x x KC Royals 691 204 651 1110 100 0.2654 0.3401 0.4559 1596 95 89 66 99 62 3.35 1.188 x St. Louis Cardinals 684 204 673 1033 138 0.2615 0.3204 0.4409 1330 97 102 79 48 111 3.792 1.262 x x x x x x That makes a lot more sense than just winning % |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Oct 2, 2016 20:20:21 GMT -5
Gents, put the bad sportmanship away.
The rules clearly state winning % as the tie breaker.
Just like you did today John, I often sit my hitters or pitchers in the last day or two of a matchup to maximise the categories I win. This makes the numbers you have posted misleading as I would have missed at least 10 days worth of production from my team during the season to maximise winning %.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:27:18 GMT -5
It's still a better method of tie breaker when comparing teams from different leagues. I don't have any issue with win% when the teams involved play in the same league, but it's arbitrary when comparing teams who played completely different schedules.
This is Tim's call.
At a minimum I propose that this be how tie-breakers are handled from 2017 onward.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Oct 2, 2016 21:37:25 GMT -5
It's still a better method of tie breaker when comparing teams from different leagues. I don't have any issue with win% when the teams involved play in the same league, but it's arbitrary when comparing teams who played completely different schedules. This is Tim's call. At a minimum I propose that this be how tie-breakers are handled from 2017 onward. Wow, wouldn't have picked you to be such a bad sport. Dan has zero sportmanship so I expect this from him but the rules clearly state overall record. There is a link in the rules that clearly says overall record. "let's change the rules because I didn't win" ... would have expected better from you John. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Oct 2, 2016 22:04:19 GMT -5
It's still a better method of tie breaker when comparing teams from different leagues. I don't have any issue with win% when the teams involved play in the same league, but it's arbitrary when comparing teams who played completely different schedules. This is Tim's call. At a minimum I propose that this be how tie-breakers are handled from 2017 onward. Wow, wouldn't have picked you to be such a bad sport. Dan has zero sportmanship so I expect this from him but the rules clearly state overall record. There is a link in the rules that clearly says overall record. "let's change the rules because I didn't win" ... would have expected better from you John. Quit acting all righteous here |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Oct 2, 2016 22:10:54 GMT -5
my apologies for playing by the rules ... which are VERY clear in this matter.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Oct 2, 2016 22:58:43 GMT -5
my apologies for playing by the rules ... which are VERY clear in this matter. We should forgive KC for coming up with a tiebreaker that makes more sense. If not now, definitely implement it for next season and so on, a la what the NFL did with their Overtime rules right after the Indy - New Orleans Super Bowl. |
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Post by KeithTorGM on Oct 3, 2016 0:54:06 GMT -5
I mentioned this scenario to Royals and he said it would not happen and did not want to talk about tie breakers, so I am sort of happy this occurred and agree with Cards that he is the undisputed winner (though it did not have to be that way)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 5:25:21 GMT -5
The rules clearly state winning % as the tie breaker. Yes, they state winning % as the tie breaker to determine seeding in each league. There is no tiebreaker listed for inter-league play. As I said before, if Tim want's to say that it was implied that overall win % would be the tie breaker I'll go along with that. There's a clear conflict of interest with you making that determination though. In any event, I propose my tie-breaker from 2017 on seeing as it makes far more sense. |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Oct 3, 2016 7:33:36 GMT -5
While I see what you're saying John, I think I have to side with Cardinals here. The rules, though not directly applicable to the situation, as you point out, state winning percentage. I'm frankly a little shocked that we failed to address this in the league rules. It will certainly be added to the offseason rules discussions.
I'm not convinced that looking at season stats is the best way to handle it though. I think that would unfairly punish a team that say, made a bunch of deals at the deadline when they realized they were in playoff contention and drastically improved their team. Also, it's not reflective of how championships work. Often, it's not the team that had the best season that wins a championship, but the one that gets hot at the right time (a la the 2010 San Fransisco Giants). That said, I don't have anything in mind of a better way to handle a tie. I still think it would be cool to have a NL vs. AL TPB All-Star game like we tried to get going a couple years ago and have that determine a tiebreak (a home field advantage of sorts).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 7:52:11 GMT -5
While I see what you're saying John, I think I have to side with Cardinals here. The rules, though not directly applicable to the situation, as you point out, state winning percentage. I'm frankly a little shocked that we failed to address this in the league rules. It will certainly be added to the offseason rules discussions. I'm not convinced that looking at season stats is the best way to handle it though. I think that would unfairly punish a team that say, made a bunch of deals at the deadline when they realized they were in playoff contention and drastically improved their team. Also, it's not reflective of how championships work. Often, it's not the team that had the best season that wins a championship, but the one that gets hot at the right time (a la the 2010 San Fransisco Giants). That said, I don't have anything in mind of a better way to handle a tie. I still think it would be cool to have a NL vs. AL TPB All-Star game like we tried to get going a couple years ago and have that determine a tiebreak (a home field advantage of sorts). I'll respect your decision Tim, and am glad that you can at least see where I'm coming from. Speaking strictly on a going forward basis now: Winning % has all the same flaws (and more flaws) that overall team production, which is why I can't say that it's a superior option. We can certainly spend some time this offseason coming up with a better way going forward. Overall production during the playoffs maybe? I feel like that would appropriately reward teams who made a push at the deadline to improve their teams. |
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