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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 8, 2022 21:45:24 GMT -5
In short, this year's real-life free agency has featured a huge uptick in overall spending, so it begs the question: How do we address our cap situation?
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Dec 8, 2022 21:55:39 GMT -5
Why would we make a change half way through offseason FA. Nothing should be changed till 2024
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 8, 2022 22:03:58 GMT -5
Why would we make a change half way through offseason FA. Nothing should be changed till 2024 The logic is that salaries are increasing so significantly in real life this offseason that waiting another year is too long to implement a cap increase on here. But I understand that not everyone will be cool with implementing this right in the middle of the winter, when players have already been traded for cap-cutting reasons, though I myself am one of those owners who have had to make those kinds of trades. Still, I think taking no action now would be a mistake -- we live in this new world where Aledmys Diaz makes $7 million a year. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 8, 2022 23:10:40 GMT -5
The person that voted for $10M should probably change their vote. We’re not doing $10M now
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 9, 2022 4:30:43 GMT -5
So I looked into my old idea of pegging cap increases to some real life number so ours would rise in tandem the real league's do and yeah...it doesn't work. Doesn't matter if you take a rolling average, or league average, or top 100 players, free agent average, etc, etc. Too much chaos. The MLB economy has been doing weird things lately and not rising at a steady rate. From other sources it seems over the last 5-6 years or so what has happened is the middle class players have stagnated while the top player salaries have continued to skyrocket.
But looks like that stopped last year which is why everyone is so much more tight. From Cot's spreadsheets, after bouncing around for a while last year the MLB salary total jumped from 3426 million to 3874 million -- a whopping 450 million increase, about 15 million a team. This year so far they have it at 4097 million with major free agents still out there. Our league cap is 4297 mil.
I think our league cap should be slightly above real live market cap because not every team in our league is going to use all of theirs and it provides wiggle room for trades. I also think adding it reduces the difference between the have and the have-not's in this league which is an even bigger deal for parity. So I'm voting to add more cap right now despite not needing it.
Maybe we could agree to start thinking/voting one year ahead so we don't have this unfortunate situation where we're raising it after people have already cut players to get under it? We could look at the opening day total salary increase once it's finalized and discuss/vote on what to do at the end of the year, before the next offseason starts.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 9, 2022 5:49:37 GMT -5
One other thing that I'd like to throw out for discussion and may as well do it here: the idea of giving out temporary cap.
Cons: Another damn thing to keep track of (but not that bad if it was just a few mil value/year and all of it expires at the end of the year?). Might be possible to have an overpowered team if there was too much of it or not enough people valued it.
Benefits: Teams that aren't competing get another asset to help them rebuild that they can freely trade without affecting their long-term prospects. Teams that are going for it can sacrifice picks/prospects for more short-term financial freedom. Would be a flurry of activity as rebuilding teams offload it and also have a market for the veterans (as rentals) again.
Kind of a kick in the pants to teams that have sold all their picks for years to get at the top of the cap heap (see: yours truly), but could be an interesting way to unsieze the trade market. Just an idea.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 9, 2022 5:58:50 GMT -5
For those that are interested, here's the numbers and the year on year increase since 2017 from Cot's (which isn't perfect but not bad).
Year MLB total. Increase
2023 4097000000 5.7% (so far)
2022 3874885709 13.0%
2021 3426230642 -5.5%
2020 3626676715 2.0%
2019 3555284239 -3.3%
2018 3676949881 4.3%
2017 3524220337 1.3%
2016 3475623195
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 9, 2022 16:06:57 GMT -5
The hardest thing to quantify is the effect of our free agency and it’s almost impossible to measure exact effect.
For example, I’ve just acquired Votto and Moose through free agency. I’m paying them $8M where cots has them $43M combined.
Those two players alone have Cots $35M overstated.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 9, 2022 18:47:27 GMT -5
Yep...Cot's also only lists 900-1000 guys. Since we now have about twice the roster size there's probably another 450 mil or so in league minimum players we have to roster.
Edit: This is wrong. We only have ~1200 players rostered so an extra 100-150 mil.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 10, 2022 17:32:38 GMT -5
Good Morning all.
Looks like we have a majority approval of $5M cap increase so we’ll do that.
I’ll send a league wide PM and post what everyone’s salary caps should be.
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Post by doubleupagus on Dec 10, 2022 20:20:39 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll use it wisely.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 12, 2022 18:08:16 GMT -5
Good Morning all. Looks like we have a majority approval of $5M cap increase so we’ll do that. I’ll send a league wide PM and post what everyone’s salary caps should be. So we should officially add $5M now or…? |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 12, 2022 21:45:42 GMT -5
Good Morning all. Looks like we have a majority approval of $5M cap increase so we’ll do that. I’ll send a league wide PM and post what everyone’s salary caps should be. So we should officially add $5M now or…? Yes please |
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