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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 19, 2022 21:07:33 GMT -5
What are everyone’s thoughts on changing the hitting Ks category from total number of Ks to K%?
That way it doesn’t inherently penalize teams for filling out a lineup and accruing ABs. K% is also just a better assessor of how a lineup fares in the strikeout department.
Can use this thread for any other rule change suggestions.
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Post by Arizona D'backs (Sean) on Dec 19, 2022 21:56:32 GMT -5
I'd be a yes on that. I can't think of a way it could be abused.
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Post by Ben (Mariners GM) on Dec 20, 2022 1:35:08 GMT -5
Strongly agree
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 20, 2022 10:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a loophole that should be closed.
I don't know about for next year but does anyone else think having pitcher losses as well as wins is too much? We already have quality starts for starters and I think it's weird to double up on stats that aren't totally in a pitcher's control. Would rather combine it into win% so again if you have a bunch of starters you don't automatically lose the L category. And that would free up another for K/BB or something.
I also secretly want no-hitters and cycles for joke categories.
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Post by doubleupagus on Dec 20, 2022 15:45:42 GMT -5
I'm OK with K% although I'd rather see something like a K:BB ratio. You could easily have the same ratio in the pitching categories. That would be a nice mirror image.
I'd prefer we do away with the antiquated notion that SBs have any meaning in today's game and replace it with XBH or doubles. The new MLB rule this season might make an impact on that, but I doubt it.
The counting stats especially in the pitching categories really need work, but I think it should be carefully considered as a package by the Committee first.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 20, 2022 16:06:38 GMT -5
I'm OK with K% although I'd rather see something like a K:BB ratio. You could easily have the same ratio in the pitching categories. That would be a nice mirror image. I'd prefer we do away with the antiquated notion that SBs have any meaning in today's game and replace it with XBH or doubles. The new MLB rule this season might make an impact on that, but I doubt it. The counting stats especially in the pitching categories really need work, but I think it should be carefully considered as a package by the Committee first. I think there will be a significant uptick in stolen bases next season because of the new rules |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 20, 2022 19:26:01 GMT -5
The only reason I prefer K% over K/BB for hitters is that it keeps player values the same. Yes, strikeouts are a stupid category in terms of actual value but adding in walks again to offset them is a pretty big shift unless you do it a season ahead or something.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Dec 22, 2022 8:23:49 GMT -5
I'm OK with K% although I'd rather see something like a K:BB ratio. You could easily have the same ratio in the pitching categories. That would be a nice mirror image. I'd prefer we do away with the antiquated notion that SBs have any meaning in today's game and replace it with XBH or doubles. The new MLB rule this season might make an impact on that, but I doubt it. The counting stats especially in the pitching categories really need work, but I think it should be carefully considered as a package by the Committee first. Why not have a look at the multitude of options Fantrax has for categories, compare it to what we're using. Then have a discussion on what we may feel are relevant or irrelevant categories and if we can make improvements. If many changes are suggested to be changed it would be something changed in the following off season. I'm also in favor of keeping SB's. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 28, 2022 15:06:41 GMT -5
Ideally we get more than 18 votes but there’s already a majority so this passes.
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Dec 28, 2022 18:09:42 GMT -5
Is this for 2023 or for post 2023
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 28, 2022 18:25:14 GMT -5
Is this for 2023 or for post 2023 2023. No need to delay its implementation. It doesn’t alter teams’ rosters at all, it just upgrades a scoring category without fundamentally changing it. I’m not an exec but I think this is all safe to assume St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) @jb10 ? |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 28, 2022 18:40:00 GMT -5
Is this for 2023 or for post 2023 2023. No need to delay its implementation. It doesn’t alter teams’ rosters at all, it just upgrades a scoring category without fundamentally changing it. I’m not an exec but I think this is all safe to assume St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) @jb10 ? why ask now ? |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 28, 2022 18:41:57 GMT -5
I'm with Chris above, rather than rushing to change a category we should have a look at the whole range of options, have a proper discussion then vote on some options rather than 'Dan wants a change so we rush to a poll without consultation with anyone'.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 28, 2022 18:51:29 GMT -5
I'm with Chris above, rather than rushing to change a category we should have a look at the whole range of options, have a proper discussion then vote on some options rather than 'Dan wants a change so we rush to a poll without consultation with anyone'. I gauged the general sentiment before posting the poll and like the poll’s results, it’s clear that people prefer K% to number of Ks in the hitting category. It’s a change that can be implemented seamlessly because it doesn’t impact how teams construct their rosters. K% would simply more accurately reflect how a lineup fares in the strikeout department and wouldn’t inherently penalize lineups for accruing ABs like number of Ks does. Think this one change is very simple; don’t know why we’d need discuss other changes before implementing this one. We don’t have to do them all at once. As far as rushing this through goes, there’s no reason not to. The way I look at it, we’re just plugging up a hole in our ship. Why wait to do that? |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Dec 28, 2022 19:13:36 GMT -5
I'm with Chris above, rather than rushing to change a category we should have a look at the whole range of options, have a proper discussion then vote on some options rather than 'Dan wants a change so we rush to a poll without consultation with anyone'. I gauged the general sentiment before posting the poll and like the poll’s results, it’s clear that people prefer K% to number of Ks in the hitting category. It’s a change that can be implemented seamlessly because it doesn’t impact how teams construct their rosters. K% would simply more accurately reflect how a lineup fares in the strikeout department and wouldn’t inherently penalize lineups for accruing ABs like number of Ks does. Think this one change is very simple; don’t know why we’d need discuss other changes before implementing this one. We don’t have to do them all at once. As far as rushing this through goes, there’s no reason not to. The way I look at it, we’re just plugging up a hole in our ship. Why wait to do that? Although I agree that the timing of the K's change doesn't really affect much. I feel you move very quickly and come to conclusions before anyone from the Executive can even chime in. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Dec 28, 2022 19:17:26 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that more than a third of the league didn't vote.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 28, 2022 19:39:06 GMT -5
I gauged the general sentiment before posting the poll and like the poll’s results, it’s clear that people prefer K% to number of Ks in the hitting category. It’s a change that can be implemented seamlessly because it doesn’t impact how teams construct their rosters. K% would simply more accurately reflect how a lineup fares in the strikeout department and wouldn’t inherently penalize lineups for accruing ABs like number of Ks does. Think this one change is very simple; don’t know why we’d need discuss other changes before implementing this one. We don’t have to do them all at once. As far as rushing this through goes, there’s no reason not to. The way I look at it, we’re just plugging up a hole in our ship. Why wait to do that? Although I agree that the timing of the K's change doesn't really affect much. I feel you move very quickly and come to conclusions before anyone from the Executive can even chime in. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. The execs finalize things, not me. Just think that in this particular case, it's a no-brainer to move quickly, which is why I have tried to expedite it so it is in effect for 2023. In hindsight, we should've made this change years ago. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Dec 28, 2022 19:51:49 GMT -5
Although I agree that the timing of the K's change doesn't really affect much. I feel you move very quickly and come to conclusions before anyone from the Executive can even chime in. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. The execs finalize things, not me. Just think that in this particular case, it's a no-brainer to move quickly, which is why I have tried to expedite it so it is in effect for 2023. In hindsight, we should've made this change years ago. We have a couple months to go into Fantrax uncheck a box and check a new box. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 28, 2022 19:59:15 GMT -5
I don't understand why there is a rush. I'm always wary of when people try to rush things through, usually there's a secondary motive for it.
I need to stop saying this but again I agree with Chris. If only 19 of 30 people voted I'd like to find out why. Worst case scenario, 11 people think their opinion isn't valid.
The season doesn't start until April, why are we rushing this through ? You suggested this 9 days ago and it has to be implemented immediately even though there's 100 days to opening day ?
I'm not against the change, I've always been in the top 5 in K's (or bottom 5 depending on which way you look at it) so I'd like to get rid of a category that I always lose.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Dec 28, 2022 20:02:57 GMT -5
I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. The execs finalize things, not me. Just think that in this particular case, it's a no-brainer to move quickly, which is why I have tried to expedite it so it is in effect for 2023. In hindsight, we should've made this change years ago. We have a couple months to go into Fantrax uncheck a box and check a new box. Cool. |
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