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Post by WhiteSox on Mar 7, 2023 20:34:41 GMT -5
I would even be okay with just a 60 man roster and leaving the FYP roster. It would help increase the pool of prospect pick ups
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Post by KeithTorGM on Mar 7, 2023 20:41:27 GMT -5
i always want more roster spots
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Mar 7, 2023 22:12:06 GMT -5
Why not this. Leave everything as 40 MLB/60 MiLB. Eliminate IFA draft altogether. Put IFA players in with regular draft (makes the draft better for everyone who has picks)
Reward those have IFA cap with this
For every $50m in IFA CAP, the GM gets a 1st round pick. You can do a randomizer to see where each pick is in the 1st round.
If you have between $25m and 49m, you get a 2nd round pick. Use randomizer to see where the 2nd round pick falls
If you have $10m to $24m, you get a 3rd round pick. Use randomizer to see where the 3rd round pick falls
So if someone has $85m in IFA, the GM would get a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd (randomly drawn)
For someone like Chris, if he has 235m in IFA cap, he would get 4 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd (randomly drawn)
Who ever traded for IFA already gave away compensation to get the IFA cap. They should also be rewarded for losing the IFA cap
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Mar 8, 2023 8:13:19 GMT -5
Are those IFA numbers what you were thinking of, or just throwing numbers out there that can be played around with
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Mar 8, 2023 8:31:40 GMT -5
Yes I was thinking of IFA #’s that we can play with. Obviously those with IFA totals of a certain level should be properly compensated. The randomizer is just an idea I see used in one of my leagues for draft tie breakers and top 5 in lottery
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Mar 8, 2023 8:52:50 GMT -5
There is another idea that could work but it would take time to type it up. It’s a point based system that you can use
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 8, 2023 9:16:50 GMT -5
My take is 4 million IFA = 1 mil cap. And 5 mil cap = a first round pick. That could be argued about but there's some precedent for it.
So 235 mil IFA = 15 first round picks. 85 mil IFA would be about 5.
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Mar 8, 2023 16:26:55 GMT -5
There might be precedent, but you have been compensated in some part for giving up your IFA cap. The value you are asking for might be from an original trade but compensation should be for the difference.
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Post by Miami on Mar 8, 2023 17:52:28 GMT -5
As a guy that hasn't drafted in quite some time due to trading picks for cap mostly, I feel like it puts guys at a disadvantage if you don't have picks or sift through the post draft rubble for some scrubs. Why not just combine all the minor rosters and let each owner figure his roster out as it fits his plan.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Mar 8, 2023 18:09:49 GMT -5
As a guy that hasn't drafted in quite some time due to trading picks for cap mostly, I feel like it puts guys at a disadvantage if you don't have picks or sift through the post draft rubble for some scrubs. Why not just combine all the minor rosters and let each owner figure his roster out as it fits his plan. It’d be too much change for me, to the point of it being unnecessary. I get why you don’t care for the rookie roster but I don’t mind sifting through the draft board, and I could be wrong, but I think the majority of owners feel that way. Eliminating the rookie roster would devalue the draft IMO, and I don’t see any reason why we should change anything that relates to the draft — aside from converting the IFA assets into picks, which is necessary since we’re dissolving IFA money. |
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Post by Arizona D'backs (Sean) on Mar 8, 2023 18:55:23 GMT -5
I actually like our current roster structure including the draft roster and IFA and would be in favor of keeping as is.
As it is I think it kind of keeps people active in the IFA market because it's just wasted space if unused. I think there would be a fair number of owners who never dip into IFA talent other than the (upcoming) IFA draft if that 10 man roster is eliminated. I guess in my head I see it as a league engagement tool but I could be wrong about all that.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 8, 2023 18:56:41 GMT -5
There might be precedent, but you have been compensated in some part for giving up your IFA cap. The value you are asking for might be from an original trade but compensation should be for the difference. Not sure what you mean. By precedent I mean if you look back at the history of IFA for normal cap trades this is about the going rate of exchange. So if we're cashing in someone's cap this is what they could expect to get on the market if they could somehow move it all. |
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Post by Rockies GM (Mac) on Mar 8, 2023 19:07:11 GMT -5
There might be precedent, but you have been compensated in some part for giving up your IFA cap. The value you are asking for might be from an original trade but compensation should be for the difference. Not sure what you mean. By precedent I mean if you look back at the history of IFA for normal cap trades this is about the going rate of exchange. So if we're cashing in someone's cap this is what they could expect to get on the market if they could somehow move it all. Here is an example I picked out. Sorry had to include names but you will get the point Reds receive: $4.8m IFA Brewers receive: 2022 WAS 4th 2022 BAL 4th Dan to confirm If you received two 4th round picks for 4.8m in IFA, why should you receive back a 1st (based on your #s) |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Mar 8, 2023 19:48:22 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean. By precedent I mean if you look back at the history of IFA for normal cap trades this is about the going rate of exchange. So if we're cashing in someone's cap this is what they could expect to get on the market if they could somehow move it all. Here is an example I picked out. Sorry had to include names but you will get the point Reds receive: $4.8m IFA Brewers receive: 2022 WAS 4th 2022 BAL 4th Dan to confirm If you received two 4th round picks for 4.8m in IFA, why should you receive back a 1st (based on your #s) Assault. |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 8, 2023 20:12:16 GMT -5
I actually like our current roster structure including the draft roster and IFA and would be in favor of keeping as is. As it is I think it kind of keeps people active in the IFA market because it's just wasted space if unused. I think there would be a fair number of owners who never dip into IFA talent other than the (upcoming) IFA draft if that 10 man roster is eliminated. I guess in my head I see it as a league engagement tool but I could be wrong about all that. Yeah, I like both the rookie roster and the IFA for that reason. Not really that much harder to keep track of it and adds a little 'use it or lose it' to the main rosters which are big enough already. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Mar 8, 2023 20:20:55 GMT -5
I’d have no problem with keeping things as is. Don’t view the roster format as “broken” in any way. If enough people felt strongly about eliminating the IFA roster then I wouldn’t be opposed. Beyond that, I’m good with the status quo.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 8, 2023 20:35:24 GMT -5
I didn't say you should receive back a 1st round pick for 4.8m in IFA; it's 1 mil cap for for 4 mil in IFA so more like a 1st round pick for 20M. 2 4th's is an early third which is about a million in cap. I would say Reds got a good deal here as he often did but it's close.
There aren't too many but the last time I went diving (which was grumbling over 4.5 IFA going for a 4th) I found these straight up trades. 2.5M -- 4th and 9th 5M -- 3rd and 3rd 8M -- 2 mil cap I also see 16.2M + 2nd for a 1st. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 8, 2023 20:53:08 GMT -5
So, for the record, we’re still a way off putting exact values to IFA cash but what I’ll be doing I’d essentially picking the last 7-10 trades similar to that above and using them to provide an average value.
We will definitely NOT be adding 100 or so picks to our draft in the first three rounds.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Mar 10, 2023 1:16:52 GMT -5
So, for the record, we’re still a way off putting exact values to IFA cash but what I’ll be doing I’d essentially picking the last 7-10 trades similar to that above and using them to provide an average value. We will definitely NOT be adding 100 or so picks to our draft in the first three rounds. Astros and I have been the main players in IFA for years. Our values are similar, stable and rarely fluctuate. There are some Managers who would rather eat a shit burger than use IFA and value it at nothing. So why would a Manager who thinks IFA is worthless, possibly have a trade they were involved in factor into the worth of IFA? |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 10, 2023 3:21:30 GMT -5
So, for the record, we’re still a way off putting exact values to IFA cash but what I’ll be doing I’d essentially picking the last 7-10 trades similar to that above and using them to provide an average value. We will definitely NOT be adding 100 or so picks to our draft in the first three rounds. Astros and I have been the main players in IFA for years. Our values are similar, stable and rarely fluctuate. There are some Managers who would rather eat a shit burger than use IFA and value it at nothing. So why would a Manager who thinks IFA is worthless, possibly have a trade they were involved in factor into the worth of IFA? To put it simple, you’re not getting $3 for something you paid $1 for. Those recent transactions set the market value and we’ll use that as the basis for compensation. We’ll make sure those with IFA get fair compensation and using past transactions as a guide is the fairest way to make sure IFA cash owners get fair compensation. |
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