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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Dec 30, 2014 17:42:48 GMT -5
I see no reason why we can't allow TPB to set the market on player contracts. If you don't like what MLB is paying a guy, don't pay him that. This may mean some restructuring of how we handle contracts but I'm okay with that I was in a league that tried this and IMO it sucked and was really unrealistic. With contracts still tied to newly-signed MLB ones once you get noticeably more money being thrown around in mlb than the league (which happens sooner than you'd think with compounding inflation) the market gets really messed up. Through the roof emphasis on young players over quality ones and the FA market becomes preferable to homegrown talent that has hit arbitration. So weird. It's like having 30 teams trying to be the A's unable to keep guys through arbitration but with nobody to peddle their players to. I don't get the resistance to a small yearly increase (other than wanting to stick it to some teams ASAP at the cost of what makes the best league). That way everyone can plan for it, and it's not enough to really 'bail out' someone who isn't being sensible. I mean with the draft and everything, the idea is to mirror the MLB economic system, no? Small increases are a fundamental part of the league and while right now things are close, if that isn't accounted for within five years you will see a very different situation. Average MLB now: 115 Average TPB now: 124 In my mind this is almost perfect -- a little extra to throw around with the extra roster spots, and we've seen some teams splashing the FA market because there's like 9*30=270 mil total extra capital to play with. Now let's assume a 4% inflation rate (pretty conservative considering this year's 12% and recent history). Average MLB in 1 year: 119.6 Average MLB in 2 years: 124.4 (Ok, we're even...perfect -- no crazy bids but no crazy dumps). Average MLB in 3 years: 129.3 Average MLB in 4 years: 134.5 Average MLB in 5 years: 139.9 So now we've got from 270 extra to a 477 mil deficit, and rising. So almost 500 mil of major league contracts for one season just lying around (or being made up via huge underbids) because people just don't have enough cash to pay MLB players their real contracts. Realistically, people start complaining at this point and there's a random increase which I think is the much greater evil. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Dec 30, 2014 18:53:56 GMT -5
Ok, how about we agree to park this one for this year ? I think the majority are comfortable that we are $9M ahead of real life MLB franchises and therefore there is no need to increase cap this year.
I think it is healthy to revisit these things every year and we will revisit this again around the same time next year.
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 25, 2015 13:43:00 GMT -5
Update...after arbitration, etc, the league dropped from 270 over down to 203. MLB salaries inflated 6.8% this season (roughly the same as the last 3 years) and if they do so again next offseason that's another ~220 mil.
I get that there's no panic right now and people want to play wait and see, but I personally think that not being able to cover all the MLB salaries even if every team was maxed out is a total disaster as the market crashes and then splits in two and it's hard to plan for the future (both for rebuilding teams and us bloats) without knowing how/to what extent league is going to deal with that.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Mar 25, 2015 19:15:14 GMT -5
What do you mean dropped from 270 to 203?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 19:32:52 GMT -5
I assumed we had 9M average more per team prior to free agency and now we have 203/30 more
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 19:33:26 GMT -5
6.7 or 6.8...whatever it is
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:00:31 GMT -5
Old news I know, but I would rather revisit a gradual roster decrease. Decreasing on roster spot would serve the same purpose would it not...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 21:53:33 GMT -5
I agree that if we do increase the salary cap it should be decided before the regular season starts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 22:17:03 GMT -5
Could we make it so 160 is still the max? And everyone else gets a couple mil. That might be a good way to keep both parties happy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 22:20:53 GMT -5
I'm strongly against that. If everyone else is getting a raise, I would want one to. I don't value a compensatory pick, I would want the money.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Mar 25, 2015 22:55:33 GMT -5
We agreed to let this sit for another year. We'll revisit it next offseason.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Mar 26, 2015 1:50:03 GMT -5
What Tim said
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 26, 2015 16:41:54 GMT -5
What do you mean dropped from 270 to 203? That is the difference between the total salary of all TPB teams (which is going to increase at roughly the MLB inflation rate per year) compared to the salary cap available in the league. Though I miscounted and actually it fell from 270 to 212. I'm just pointing this out because I think that's a big change since December. Not that we have to do something right now, but when that number hits zero big IMO it changes the league bigtime, and at this rate that's to be surprisingly soon and then every year it's another 200 mil down. If for some things don't start to get Dropping-Chase-Utley ugly because of this around then ok I'll STFU, but when they do I think it would be good to address a steady long-term plan instead of random increases here and there. Roster sizes are another issue but won't counter that kind of inflation. Or we could decide to pump ~200 mil of players onto the waiver wire with no increase. I actually would have no problem with that -- it would be wild fun, but very different. |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 26, 2015 16:50:50 GMT -5
I assumed we had 9M average more per team prior to free agency and now we have 203/30 more Yeah, that's about it. 9MX30=270 and now we're at 212/30, just over 7M per team. But that's just the final bit of inflation for 2015 overall it's probably close to that per season, a little lower because of the Josh Hamiltons of the world that have already repriced. I'm not entirely sure what the difference was a year ago per team but I think it came up, possibly from you? |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Mar 26, 2015 17:06:45 GMT -5
Ok actually it seems like I missed half of this whole conversation. Yeah, if people could get maintaining the average TPB 5 mil over the average MLB then inflation goes away. But that's saying a big increase, every year. Not sure that's what people want right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 10:40:12 GMT -5
Ok, how about we agree to park this one for this year ? I think the majority are comfortable that we are $9M ahead of real life MLB franchises and therefore there is no need to increase cap this year. I think it is healthy to revisit these things every year and we will revisit this again around the same time next year. Average MLB salary in 2015....124.2333. I think we need to add 5M cap per team and raise the maximum to 165M Cap.....thoughts? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 10:41:14 GMT -5
We agreed to let this sit for another year. We'll revisit it next offseason. Just quoting Tim as well so that he sees this... Average MLB salary in 2015....124.2333. I think we need to add 5M cap per team and raise the maximum to 165M Cap.....thoughts? |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Nov 26, 2015 12:20:14 GMT -5
8.6%, wow...Broken record time: we have to come up with a longterm plan. A bunch of payroll slashing deals have already been made in anticipation of the big crunch that is coming -- it's just not fair to wait until the last moment when enough people realize it's serious and then provide relief that completely changes offseason planning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 12:23:31 GMT -5
Well I'm with Eric in that $5M is almost going to be necessary with those numbers. I've made one of such deals with Andrus. The obvious pink elephant in the room is that we have some small market teams with less than $120M in cap and some with the max $160M which is the roots of years past. I'm a fan of the $5M increase and I would guess the only fair solution would be to raise the ceiling to $165M if that were to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 12:31:56 GMT -5
8.6%, wow...Broken record time: we have to come up with a longterm plan. A bunch of payroll slashing deals have already been made in anticipation of the big crunch that is coming -- it's just not fair to wait until the last moment when enough people realize it's serious and then provide relief that completely changes offseason planning. I think 5M above the previous year's MLB Team Salary Average would be a nice rule to implement. |
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