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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 9:46:38 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/MLB average team salary (rounded and based off 25 man roster only) = 120M So if you figure we have 6 extra 500K mandatory roster spots, i'd say our TPB average payroll should be at 123M Anybody remember what we're at? Can you show your work? I see it now. I think my view is well known enough, but as long as we benchmark against SOMETHING I'm happy. Running a quick average on team salaries for 2016 against the spottrack link I get an average of 144.5M though. I don't particularly care about 25 man since it excludes DL & buried salaries are relevant in TPB as well. You could make a valid argument to strip out the retained salaries though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:46:42 GMT -5
I think the decree was no increase this season. I'll get the table updated when the season starts and we can debate it then. I'm in favour of upping the Cap and/or lowering the number of roster spots, but the latter has already been pretty much shouted down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 18:22:29 GMT -5
The latter is still a good way to address the lack of competitive balance or parity in the league. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Feb 10, 2017 18:57:28 GMT -5
if 40 homers and 100 rbi is worse than mediocre, id be afraid to know your definition of mediocre Not talking about fantasy. He posted a 0.9 fWAR last season. He's not good IRL. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 20:02:20 GMT -5
The latter is still a good way to address the lack of competitive balance or parity in the league. I see what you did there. And you did say it better. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:05:37 GMT -5
Actually, I screwed up your quote, but we are in agreement.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Feb 10, 2017 21:19:14 GMT -5
The latter is still a good way to address the lack of competitive balance or parity in the league. Oh please. The main reason for the lack of competitive balance in our league (assuming that is true) is because certain owners do not make smart trades and end up screwing themselves. Another big reason is because some teams are completely rebuilding. Last year there were several teams that could be steamrolled easily. This year that's not the case though. Rebuilding teams like Cubs, Orioles, Reds, etc. are now going to put up an actual fight. And of course Pirates has gone from the bottom to near the top. Crunching down rosters achieves nothing. It's only counter-productive. |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Feb 10, 2017 21:21:17 GMT -5
I think the decree was no increase this season. I'll get the table updated when the season starts and we can debate it then. I'm in favour of upping the Cap and/or lowering the number of roster spots, but the latter has already been pretty much shouted down. That is correct, it was said that there would be no increase for this season. I'm just saying that there absolutely has to be an increase for next season, and there shouldn't be a conversation about it. It's a no-brainer. |
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Post by Mets GM on Feb 10, 2017 21:53:03 GMT -5
He posted a 0.9 fWAR last season. How Mediocre. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Feb 13, 2017 19:04:29 GMT -5
Why does there have to absolutely be an increase?
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Feb 13, 2017 19:11:09 GMT -5
Why does there have to absolutely be an increase? Reading is hard |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:22:39 GMT -5
I don't care if we increase next year or not, as long as we're benchmarked against something so that we're able to plan accordingly.
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Feb 13, 2017 19:25:08 GMT -5
What do you suggest John?
And I'm sorry. I know you've said it before and I could probably find it if I looked.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Feb 13, 2017 19:30:56 GMT -5
It'd be downright irrational to not up the cap. The ridiculous real life inflation cannot be denied.
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Post by WhiteSox on Feb 13, 2017 19:35:45 GMT -5
You should get the updated league avg Dan so there is a number to compare against.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:44:07 GMT -5
My favorite idea so far would be determining TBP cap using the following formula TBP Cap utilized at start of TPB playoffs (salaries, TBP deals, penalties) + x = MLB opening day payrolls * 90% x = total change needed to TPB cap Each team new cap allotment would equal x/30 (rounded to nearest 1M) This would ensure TPB deals remain a part of the league by being pegged to less than actual MLB salaries, while allowing for growth based on utilization of cap. Using cap utilization vs. max cap accounts for TPB deals and also penalties. I would also avoid decreasing TBP cap, the nice thing about the equation is that is isn't dependent on year over year changes so it won't run into issues if we don't have an increase because salaries dropped in a given year. Just throwing that idea out there, as I said before I'm happy as long as we're pegged to something. This is from back in September when we were discussing the same thing (Page 5 on this thread) |
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Post by Arizona Diamondbacks on Feb 14, 2017 9:33:12 GMT -5
This is from back in September when we were discussing the same thing (Page 5 on this thread) Yeah. This is exactly what I wanted. I remembered this post but couldn't remember the details. Didn't want to have to dig around for it. My fault. Turns out it wasn't far to go. I am in favor of this formula. I like that it includes variability for our TPB salaries, penalties, and RL contracts. I think that gives the best reflective picture of where we stand compared to MLB. My only question is what all is included in the numbers when you look at MLB opening day payrolls? Are guys on the DL15 or DL60 included in that number? How about contract obligations from previous players? This is just me not knowing enough about how MLB reports their salaries. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 9:37:58 GMT -5
I was just going to suggest using whatever Cot's posts as a summary since they're source of truth for our contracts anyway.
If you'd prefer, I think there may be value in using something like Spotrac so we can filter out the dead money teams are paying on players that they released.
We could also use end of year payrolls if you'd prefer since this would be happening during the offseason anyway. That formula was really just thrown out there to get the conversation going. I'm very open to tweaking it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 9:08:56 GMT -5
It's a challenge to go back in time to see payrolls from the start of the playoffs last year, but in prep for the upcoming discussion I pulled some numbers together as of this morning.
TPB teams are currently averaging $115.83M of cap utilization
Cot's has 25 man roster opening day team payrolls (2016) averaging $130.14M
This puts out current cap utilization at about 89% of MLB per Cots. There are still players who will get arb awards and teams haven't taken penalties as they would have if we based this off of end of season TPB spend. However, this also includes an offseason of raises that wouldn't have occurred if we did this calculation at end of year.
I also ran numbers from spotrac to try to get MLB salaries as of today. Per Spotrac MLB teams are averaging 129.2M. This number is expected to jump by several million since 25 man rosters are not full on spotrac (some teams have as few as 10 players listed on their 25 man). I suspect Spotrac would be more useful if we were doing this at end of year.
End of 2016 per Spotract, teams averaged 145.5M (more than Cot's, because Cot's was opening day not end of year).
With Spotrac we can also see how much dead money teams were carrying (players released from MLB deals). This number was about 32M per team in 2016.
If we remove dead money from Spotracs end of year 2016 numbers we have 113.5M per team.
Current TPB spend is 96.1% of current spotract salaries - dead money. 89.7% without removing dead money (Note: spotrac salaries will increase as we get to opening day, which will push this percentage down)
Current TPB spend is 102% of end of year 2016 spotrac spend - dead money. 79.6% without removing dead money
Current TPB spend is 89% of Cots start of season 2016 25 man rosters.
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