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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 21:49:42 GMT -5
We should really resolve this. I think we need something concrete in place.
Everything I come up with though is always really really flawed.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Jul 6, 2017 23:02:55 GMT -5
Pretty simple to me. Just a 5 mil bump will suffice. Nothing huge but it addresses the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 23:13:17 GMT -5
Pretty simple to me. Just a 5 mil bump will suffice. Nothing huge but it addresses the issue. Where is it proven that we even need a bump? Like what are you basing that off of? |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Jul 7, 2017 0:16:12 GMT -5
Pretty simple to me. Just a 5 mil bump will suffice. Nothing huge but it addresses the issue. Where is it proven that we even need a bump? Like what are you basing that off of? For one, Indians' last post says salaries are up by roughly 9% since our last salary increase (which was 5m). Secondly, mediocre players are making double digits per year. I really don't understand how you're blind to all of this. Definitely not a secret that real life salaries are very much increasing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 0:33:51 GMT -5
So our guiding rule is "Indians says so" no citation needed
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Jul 7, 2017 0:44:46 GMT -5
So our guiding rule is "Indians says so" no citation needed The numbers say so. Could've been any other owner who pointed that out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 0:48:34 GMT -5
So our guiding rule is "Indians says so" no citation needed The numbers say so. Could've been any other owner who pointed that out. Can you show your work on those numbers? |
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Jul 7, 2017 0:48:56 GMT -5
Honestly we should just vote it and do whatever the majority decides.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Jul 7, 2017 0:50:43 GMT -5
The numbers say so. Could've been any other owner who pointed that out. Can you show your work on those numbers? My work wouldn't be any different. All Indians did was crunch the numbers of the past few seasons and compared them. Very basic shit. I don't need to double-check his work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:55:18 GMT -5
I already showed my work on these numbers back in Feb.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 15:05:30 GMT -5
I already showed my work on these numbers back in Feb. I liked your idea, what does that formula show we should add in the off-season? I was just want objective data used to determine our off-season add/don't add to cap rather than, "Well obviously we should add." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 15:06:35 GMT -5
Depends what Andrew / Tim want to set the % at. I don't really care if we increase or not as long as we have a benchmark going forward.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Jul 7, 2017 22:57:48 GMT -5
Honestly we should just vote it and do whatever the majority decides. If there's one tear or rage laden post if the bump gets voted down, I'm gonna laugh my head off. |
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Jul 8, 2017 21:57:11 GMT -5
I'm in favour of a cap increase, I agree with most of the above that there should be some science around a long term solution rather than haphazard increases.
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Post by St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) on Aug 8, 2017 20:05:24 GMT -5
I have been talking to Tim about Cap Increase and at the end of this season (the day after the final regular season game in real life) there will be a league wide increase in cap of $5M.
This will of course increase the upper and lower levels by $5M.
In real life, based on opening day salaries as per Cots, in 2016 the opening day salaries for all the franchises combined was $3.903B. In 2017 it was $4.100B, a 5.029% increase. Our average cap is currently $128.93M. An increase of 5.029% would be an increase of $6.485M.
We will continue to monitor salaries each year but please don't expect an increase of cap each year.
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Post by WhiteSox on Aug 8, 2017 21:06:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the early heads up guys
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Sept 23, 2019 11:32:51 GMT -5
There's been a good discussion in the chat. Think there's a strong case to be made that it's time for another cap increase. And not just by 5 mil, but possibly 10. Jon makes some compelling points IMO: "In economic terms it's a lack of liquidity leading to a frozen market -- not just people being stingy. Very predictable that it would happen. Plus young players and 500k value have gone through the roof as a result instead of fringe guys being worth something so it makes more sense to sit tight (especially since there is negative value to being moderately successful). Not good for the league, or any league." "If you don't raise salaries with the rate of inflation, you fundamentally change the nature of the league to not reflecting the real life market -- which has has happened. It's ok, but I used to especially love this league because you would hold onto or even be able to trade anyone getting ABs as in real life. Not the case now." Also mentions that this league is now more or less a redraft league with a handful of keepers, which makes a lot of sense when put that way. Don't think anyone in this league wants it to become totally like that. St. Louis Cardinals (Andrew) @thekcroyals WhiteSox @jb10 |
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Post by Halejon/Nationals GM on Sept 23, 2019 12:10:17 GMT -5
Me and my big fucking mouth. For the record, I think handing out 10M all of a sudden is also crazy. Either tie the increases to something measurable (even if it's not at the exact same rate as the league's inflation rate, just anything relatively consistent and impartial so people can plan ahead) -- or agree to never raise it again and just let things run their course so we go heavy redraft. It's the inconsistency and randomness (basically whenever somebody notices and makes a stink about it) of the increases in a long-running league that is the big problem for me. There's just no reason for doing it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:12:55 GMT -5
I proposed a formula a couple years ago on this thread to do just that. I still stand by it if we want to reconsider adopting it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:14:13 GMT -5
My favorite idea so far would be determining TBP cap using the following formula TBP Cap utilized at start of TPB playoffs (salaries, TBP deals, penalties) + x = MLB opening day payrolls * 90% x = total change needed to TPB cap Each team new cap allotment would equal x/30 (rounded to nearest 1M) This would ensure TPB deals remain a part of the league by being pegged to less than actual MLB salaries, while allowing for growth based on utilization of cap. Using cap utilization vs. max cap accounts for TPB deals and also penalties. I would also avoid decreasing TBP cap, the nice thing about the equation is that is isn't dependent on year over year changes so it won't run into issues if we don't have an increase because salaries dropped in a given year. Just throwing that idea out there, as I said before I'm happy as long as we're pegged to something. |
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