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Post by Minnesota Twins on Sept 23, 2019 12:50:47 GMT -5
I am very open to the idea of an increase in salary cap or at least entertaining the topic. As Jon (WAS) said, you don't just hand out 10M like stimulus money, but I think it's a very real topic to look at. I don't know the perfect solution aside from an arbitrary number, but something like a formula as John (KC) is presenting makes sense.
Anyone willing to provide logical points on the MLB salary scale and how it relates to where our TPB cap stands, please feel free to do so.
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Sept 23, 2019 12:52:33 GMT -5
My favorite idea so far would be determining TBP cap using the following formula TBP Cap utilized at start of TPB playoffs (salaries, TBP deals, penalties) + x = MLB opening day payrolls * 90% x = total change needed to TPB cap Each team new cap allotment would equal x/30 (rounded to nearest 1M) This would ensure TPB deals remain a part of the league by being pegged to less than actual MLB salaries, while allowing for growth based on utilization of cap. Using cap utilization vs. max cap accounts for TPB deals and also penalties. I would also avoid decreasing TBP cap, the nice thing about the equation is that is isn't dependent on year over year changes so it won't run into issues if we don't have an increase because salaries dropped in a given year. Just throwing that idea out there, as I said before I'm happy as long as we're pegged to something. I’m probably saying this because I’m too stupid to comprehend your idea and actually know if it’s good or bad, but this seems overly complicated. Think the simple thing to do is steadily raise the max cap level so the league can at least somewhat keep pace with the real life inflation. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:14:53 GMT -5
That's exactly what that proposal would do
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Sept 23, 2019 14:00:10 GMT -5
That's exactly what that proposal would do I understood that was the point of your proposal. Can you dumb it down so the idiots like myself can really understand the ins and outs of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:14:00 GMT -5
High level:
We tie our league wide cap to MLBs spending and evaluate it each offseason (right around this time of year).
There was an adjustment in the proposal from 3 years ago so we have less cap space than MLBs spending. The reason for that was to encourage TPB contracts and adjust for players who get cut and end up on league minimum deals (think Sandoval the past couple years).
We had 2 sources under consideration for MLB spending. Cots and Spotrac, each had their own advantages:
Cots: our source if truth for contracts. It will have full year spending for clubs so it's fairly easy to compile the data we need.
Spotrac: Real time spending data, only really useful at year end when we looked at it 3 years ago. Benefit was they have numbers that exclude dead money which gives us a more comparable number to our own spending rules.
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Post by doubleupagus on Sept 23, 2019 14:33:00 GMT -5
I just want to point out that when I (as Indians) started this thread almost five years ago, I had the largest Salary Cap in the League and was trying to figure out how to fit slary increases to Mike Trout and Max Scherzer, among others, under a limit of $160M.
I now have no players and a tone of cap space so I want to see top teams dumping solid guys for FA bidding. Not sure I'm the most unbiased guy here right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:17:58 GMT -5
Did a quick analysis to see where things are vs. 2016 when the numbers were last run.
Opening day salaries were (only) up $3.7M per Cots, which doesn't seem terrible considering it's been 3 years.
Spottrac has salaries minus dead money at $112M. Down 1.5M from 113.5M at the end of 2016.
I wouldn't mind adding a couple million of cap per team, since I still maintain we didn't add enough in the '16/'17 off season, but I don't see a case for a $10M jump. $5M would suffice while correcting the mistakes of '16/'17.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Sept 23, 2019 15:42:49 GMT -5
Did a quick analysis to see where things are vs. 2016 when the numbers were last run. Opening day salaries were (only) up $3.7M per Cots, which doesn't seem terrible considering it's been 3 years. Spottrac has salaries minus dead money at $112M. Down 1.5M from 113.5M at the end of 2016. I wouldn't mind adding a couple million of cap per team, since I still maintain we didn't add enough in the '16/'17 off season, but I don't see a case for a $10M jump. $5M would suffice while correcting the mistakes of '16/'17. I said the 10 mil number for the hell of it. Just think some action is needed. 5 mil is something. If no one on the executive committee objects then they should either implement the raise, or put it to a league vote. Whichever way we’ve done it in the past. |
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Sept 23, 2019 16:32:15 GMT -5
If we do an increase I think 5m is an easy round number.
I also suggest we keep the floor at 110m. Cubs I believe is the only team at 109m who didn't fall within the window when we implemented the higher floor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 16:54:33 GMT -5
I generally advocate for increasing the floor and ceiling with a league wide increase. Since we've done it the past 2 times, I guess it wouldn't be terrible to leave the floor alone this time to keep the % spread between floor and ceiling consistent with when the league was founded.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Sept 23, 2019 17:19:24 GMT -5
I generally advocate for increasing the floor and ceiling with a league wide increase. Since we've done it the past 2 times, I guess it wouldn't be terrible to leave the floor alone this time to keep the % spread between floor and ceiling consistent with when the league was founded. I guess Cubs could be encouraged to make a trade for cap. Thus locking him in. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:45:39 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there but it would be kinda cool to have the max cap at maybe the average of the 3 highest MLB payrolls, but keep the floor at 110 or what not to make sure some teams don't ruin their team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 9:44:50 GMT -5
My only concern with that is just how volatile it would be. For example, based on rough napkin math for this year we'd be looking at ~$210M. Everything I'm hearing suggests that number will drop significantly next year as Boston's payroll presumably drops significantly. Expanding to top 5 would help decrease volatility, I'd also suggest a clause to not allow it to decrease in TPB, so that we don't force owners to sell cap space.
We started off with the salary floor being 62.5% of the ceiling. We're currently at 64.7%. Going to a floor/ceiling of 110/175 would bring us to 62.8% which brings us closer to the originally intended ratio. A 6M increase in the ceiling would bring us right back to 62.5% for what it's worth (110/176).
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Post by BrewCrewGM on Sept 6, 2021 20:49:48 GMT -5
Don’t have anything to propose here, just curious to get some thoughts about whether we should do another increase or not. Since it’s now the offseason, we may as well discuss it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 21:48:26 GMT -5
I'll run some numbers tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 6:15:25 GMT -5
Salaries are still down about $5M per team on average (per Cots) from 2019. I would not recommend a cap increase at this time. Note - Spotrac shows a larger decrease, but this is largely driven by September rosters being limited to 28 instead of up to 40 in 2019 (at ~500k per roster spot) |
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Post by Dodgers GM on Sept 7, 2021 6:34:18 GMT -5
I dont think another one is needed for the upcoming year.
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Post by doubleupagus on Sept 7, 2021 6:57:35 GMT -5
Is it so long ago that I started this thread? Older than ever, am I feeling.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds - Chris on Sept 7, 2021 9:05:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the number crunching John.
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